[OccupySheffield] We can also speak to eachother

Sat Dec 31 16:38:01 GMT 2011

Hello everyone, 
I'm extremly pleased by the fact that goupspace have been sucefully used to engange in discussion and bring the movement foward. Especially because when I proposed ways to integrate the online world with the ground I was look at as a sort of visionary or alien. Now that you all see how usefull and easy it is, I just want to remind you that there is already a very usefull tool that can be use to discuss all sort of things. This is mumble, you can easily download the client from mumble.com and then all you need to do is click on connect and add cryptious.net as a server. Once you done this you be able to acutally speak to each other and this can speed up a lot of our conversation! I hope this is useful and I hope to see you all on mumble. 
 We r the 99%, let's speak to eachother
Mike--livestream
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From: Rocio Fatas <rociofatas at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:26:25 
To: <liz.beech at virgin.net>
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Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

+1 Liz, the city is a new challenge

2011/12/31 Elizabeth Beech <liz.beech at virgin.net <mailto:liz.beech at virgin.net> >

You're cantering along beautifully Em.  I'm literally about to leave for St. Paul's and want to put in a twopennyworth. 

When David Harvey spoke at St. Paul's he emphasised the centrality of the city, both as the place where most people live and as the place where the power we are challenging resides.  

I hope we can speak more about this.

Liz x

On 31 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Em Weirdigan wrote:
A lot of this is happening already, we don't need to invent it all, we 'just' need to link it all up and do lots more of it, with variations! Yippee!

Workers' and housing co-operatives; co-housing and eco-villages; food growing and box-schemes; skill-shares and labour exchanges; reuse and upcycling; squatting; alternative dwelling-places (tents, caravans, huts, treehouses); truly ethical businesses only (that means ones which give something to the community and put people and planet before profit); community-controlled micro-renewable energy sources; sustainable forest management...

Some of this seems normal to some of us, we need to make it normal to the whole 99%!

Or, do tell me if I'm on the wrong track... I might just have jumped on my favourite hobby horse and gallopped off on my own... ;)

Em x

ps Here's a few tiny examples that I've been involved with or know about; there must be so many thousands if we all pooled what we know!
 http://hebdenbridgetransitiontown.org.uk/
http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/
http://www.lilac.coop/
 http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/
http://www.weirdigans.co.uk <http://www.weirdigans.co.uk/> 
http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk <http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk/> 

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, J L <hemipemi at hotmail.com <mailto:hemipemi at hotmail.com> > wrote:

 Yes yes yes!

VERY interested and willing to look into the exact details and practicalities of this shift. 

I think a lot of it will come down to having a large enough network of occupations and facilities around the country available to maintain this off-system economy. Bike networks, resource management, (sourcing, sharing, distribution), free accomodation through Occupation sites and buildings, etc, and everything with a clear route towards becoming 100% off grid.

Also jobs. If it's to work we need to completely reestablish what job positions are needed in a functioning alternative society. A long term gameplan could be necessary with the assumption that a lot of early jobs would be related to the establishment and creation of the system rather than it's continued operation and maintenance.

 We need to look very carefully at all the mistakes that have been made in small scale attempts that have been made of this. Occupation sites and public eco-villages (past and present) would all be a good point of reference). I freudean typed that last line as "Occupation sites ARE public eco-villages". That might be a good principle to employ ;)

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:18:50 +0000

YES!!!

I've been trying to encourage people to do this for years... ;)

... many people will be fearful. But if those of us with courage and/or little to lose get on with it, perhaps we can create a nice big bouncy castle of alternatives for the fearful to jump onto...?

Em x

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM, OLSX Indymedia <olsx.indymedia at gmail.com <mailto:olsx.indymedia at gmail.com> > wrote:
 @George

If you had a large-scale withdrawal of labour from the 1% means of production, those alternatives become realities. I don't have time to go into this in depth now, but the overriding point is that they are one and the same, not two separate factors. 

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM, marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com>  <marknbarrett at googlemail.com <mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com> > wrote:

you raise an important point George! 
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Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

 Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?

 Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the dominant system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more than what is easy...

 george

 Wow

 I am with that Mayday call out 100%. 

 "a continuous strike, a permanent
 withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
 their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
 alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
 support themselves and their families"

 To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs. Brilliant.

 Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as it becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for Sheffield?

 Best

 Jamie  

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 drastically, and we don't have a lot of time. A project is being
 discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May
 2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent
 withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
 their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
 alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
 support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible
 this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.
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