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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Who ever said you or anyone has no say in decisions, just because you haven’t slept there, is wrong, out-of-order and doesn’t deserved to be involved in a movement where some can physically camp there and some can’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Power-craving people, who take it on themselves to make unilateral decisions (SUCH AS NICOLE) i.e. making the decision to hand over the citadel to Circus without group consensus, are just perpetuating negative energy, ‘LACK OF TRANSPARENCY’ and self-serving clique elitism!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I propose: at tonight’s GA that we as Occupy Sheffield vote on whether or not we want to fight for the citadel, as the landlord apparently needs to know one way or the other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, this is just what I’ve been able to make sense of so far, in an increasingly chaotic situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>X Dawn x <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Leela Simms [mailto:leela.simms@yahoo.co.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> 07 February 2012 10:05<br><b>To:</b> Mick Ibbotson; occupysheffield@email-lists.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OccupySheffield] [OccupySheffieldPrivate] public GAs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>I'm as confused as most people seem to be!! Is there a GA tonight or not - I was told that they were Tues, Thurs & Saturday but <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>this seems to have been changed (yet again) I know ................ let's have another GA to decide (for the benefit of those not present<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>at previous GAs but who don't want to be excluded from decision making) and, of course, we have to include everyone in our decisions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>(unless you have never slept on camp and then you have no part to play in the decision as to whether the camp remains or not) I was<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>told this on my last visit to camp and have come away feeling very EXCLUDED from the 'elitist' group of individuals who seem to be<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>running the camp.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>Mick - you describe yourself as an 'outsider'. Well, that's how I feel now, even though I have been involved since day 1 and was one of the 'elite' <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>who took the Citadel on 28 December and spent the following 3 weeks cleaning the place to get it ready for the National Conference!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>Now I have been told that I have no say in decision making about the camp. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>Power corrupts - even those sad individuals who have found their 'niche' in the occupy camps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Mick Ibbotson <zapatista2010@googlemail.com><br><b>To:</b> occupysheffield@email-lists.org <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 7:59<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] [OccupySheffield] public GAs</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv938716481><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Is this decision a reversal of last weeks - last published (27th Jan) GA decision to hold GA's on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday? Will this decision be changed again - say next week to Monday, Wednesday, Saturday? dependent on who runs the GA? It might be helpful to list attendees so people can see who reached 'consensus</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>As an outsider, its impossible to commit to GA's as you keep moving the goalposts - from what I experienced at the Citadel on sunday - you have bigger issues to consider rather than whether to serve digestives or rich tea with the camp tea? Perhaps its just me, but something is not right and the falling off of numbers seems to underline it. Most revolutions tend to gain momentum, with Occupy its going the other way.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mick</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:flyingtroutx@hotmail.com" target="_blank" title="flyingtroutx@hotmail.com">Sarah Wild</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" target="_blank" title="occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Monday, February 06, 2012 11:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> [OccupySheffield] public GAs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Sorry, misleading title as every GA is public. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>It was decided at the meeting tonight (again I think!) that we would have GAs at camp/citadel on Monday, Weds and Friday - to leave Tuesday and Thursday free for working group/ alternative meetings. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Most people agreed it would be good to have a Saturday public GA slot somewhere outside of the established Occupy spaces. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I think the town hall would be good, at around 3pm. However, I don't think this should be a normal GA. What about it being something along the lines of, "Occupy, What's it all about? What do we want, What do we want to achieve?"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Anyway, it's late and I'm rambling. Would just appreciate some input on where people think this should go. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thanks loads<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>x<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>OccupySheffield mailing list<br>OccupySheffield@email-lists.org<br>https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupySheffield mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org">OccupySheffield@email-lists.org</a><br><a href="https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield" target="_blank">https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupySheffieldPrivate mailing list<br><a href="mailto:OccupySheffieldPrivate@email-lists.org">OccupySheffieldPrivate@email-lists.org</a><br><a href="https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffieldprivate" target="_blank">https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffieldprivate</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>