+1 Liz, the city is a new challenge<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/31 Elizabeth Beech <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liz.beech@virgin.net">liz.beech@virgin.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">You're cantering along beautifully Em. I'm literally about to leave for St. Paul's and want to put in a twopennyworth. <div><br></div><div>When David Harvey spoke at St. Paul's he emphasised the centrality of the city, both as the place where most people live and as the place where the power we are challenging resides. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I hope we can speak more about this.</div><div><br></div><div>Liz x<div><div class="h5"><br><div><div><br></div><div>On 31 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Em Weirdigan wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">A lot of this is happening already, we don't need to invent it all, we 'just' need to link it all up and do lots more of it, with variations! Yippee!<br>
<br>Workers'
and housing co-operatives; co-housing and eco-villages; food growing and box-schemes; skill-shares and
labour exchanges; reuse and upcycling; squatting; alternative dwelling-places (tents, caravans, huts, treehouses); truly ethical businesses only
(that means ones which give something to the community and put people
and planet before profit); community-controlled micro-renewable energy
sources; sustainable forest management...<br>
<br>Some of this seems normal to some of us, we need to make it normal to the whole 99%!<br><br>Or,
do tell me if I'm on the wrong track... I might just have jumped on my
favourite hobby horse and gallopped off on my own... ;)<br><br>Em x<br><br>ps Here's a few tiny examples that I've been involved with or know about; there must be so many thousands if we all pooled what we know!<br>
<a href="http://hebdenbridgetransitiontown.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://hebdenbridgetransitiontown.org.uk/</a><br><a href="http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/</a><br><a href="http://www.lilac.coop/" target="_blank">http://www.lilac.coop/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/</a><br><a href="http://www.weirdigans.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.weirdigans.co.uk</a><br><a href="http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk</a><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, J L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hemipemi@hotmail.com" target="_blank">hemipemi@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Yes yes yes!<br><br>VERY interested and willing to look into the exact details and practicalities of this shift. <br><br>I think a lot of it will come down to having a large enough network of occupations and facilities around the country available to maintain this off-system economy. Bike networks, resource management, (sourcing, sharing, distribution), free accomodation through Occupation sites and buildings, etc, and everything with a clear route towards becoming 100% off grid.<br>
<br>Also jobs. If it's to work we need to completely reestablish what job positions are needed in a functioning alternative society. A long term gameplan could be necessary with the assumption that a lot of early jobs would be related to the establishment and creation of the system rather than it's continued operation and maintenance.<br>
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We need to look very carefully at all the mistakes that have been made
in small scale attempts that have been made of this. Occupation sites and public eco-villages (past and present) would all be a good point of
reference). I freudean typed that last line as "Occupation sites ARE public eco-villages". That might be a good principle to employ ;)<br><br>Jonathan<br><br><br><div><div></div><hr>To: <a href="mailto:olsx.indymedia@gmail.com" target="_blank">olsx.indymedia@gmail.com</a><br>
From: <a href="mailto:elf@weirdigans.co.uk" target="_blank">elf@weirdigans.co.uk</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:LondonInternationalCommission@groupspaces.com" target="_blank">LondonInternationalCommission@groupspaces.com</a>; <a href="mailto:OccupyLondon@groupspaces.com" target="_blank">OccupyLondon@groupspaces.com</a>; <a href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" target="_blank">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a><div>
<br>Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!<br></div>Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:18:50 +0000<div><div></div><div><br><br>YES!!!<br><br>I've been trying to encourage people to do this for years... ;)<br>
<br>... many people will be fearful. But if those of us with courage and/or little to lose get on with it, perhaps we can create a nice big bouncy castle of alternatives for the fearful to jump onto...?<br>
<br>Em x<br><br><div>On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM, OLSX Indymedia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olsx.indymedia@gmail.com" target="_blank">olsx.indymedia@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
@George<div><br></div><div>If you had a large-scale withdrawal of labour from the 1% means of production, those alternatives become realities. I don't have time to go into this in depth now, but the overriding point is that they are one and the same, not two separate factors.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><div></div><div><br><br><div>On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM, <a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>you raise an important point George! <div>Sent from phone</div><hr><div><b>From: </b> "George Por" <<a href="mailto:george@community-intelligence.com" target="_blank">george@community-intelligence.com</a>>
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</div><div><b>Date: </b>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:51:46 +0000</div><div><b>To: </b>jamie kelsey-fry<<a href="mailto:lsxcamp@gmail.com" target="_blank">lsxcamp@gmail.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:LondonInternationalCommission@groupspaces.com" target="_blank">LondonInternationalCommission@groupspaces.com</a>></div>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!</div><div><br></div>
<font color="#800000"><font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?<br>
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Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the dominant system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more than what is easy...<br>
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george<br>
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Wow<br>
<br>
I am with that Mayday call out 100%. <br>
<br>
"a continuous strike, a permanent<br>
withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel<br>
their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to<br>
alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to<br>
support themselves and their families"<br>
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To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs. Brilliant.<br>
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Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as it becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for Sheffield?<br>
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Best<br>
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Jamie <br>
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MAYDAY! MAYDAY!<br>
It is obvious we are headed for disaster unless we change course<br>
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discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May<br>
2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent<br>
withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel<br>
their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to<br>
alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to<br>
support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible<br>
this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.<br>
Outrageous! Impossible! I agree with you. Nevertheless it has to<br>
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physically damaging path we are on, to a sustainable system that puts<br>
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