[OccupySheffield] [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

Sat Dec 31 16:26:25 GMT 2011

+1 Liz, the city is a new challenge


2011/12/31 Elizabeth Beech <liz.beech at virgin.net>

> You're cantering along beautifully Em.  I'm literally about to leave for
> St. Paul's and want to put in a twopennyworth.
>
> When David Harvey spoke at St. Paul's he emphasised the centrality of the
> city, both as the place where most people live and as the place where the
> power we are challenging resides.
>
> I hope we can speak more about this.
>
> Liz x
>
>
> On 31 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Em Weirdigan wrote:
>
> A lot of this is happening already, we don't need to invent it all, we
> 'just' need to link it all up and do lots more of it, with variations!
> Yippee!
>
> Workers' and housing co-operatives; co-housing and eco-villages; food
> growing and box-schemes; skill-shares and labour exchanges; reuse and
> upcycling; squatting; alternative dwelling-places (tents, caravans, huts,
> treehouses); truly ethical businesses only (that means ones which give
> something to the community and put people and planet before profit);
> community-controlled micro-renewable energy sources; sustainable forest
> management...
>
> Some of this seems normal to some of us, we need to make it normal to the
> whole 99%!
>
> Or, do tell me if I'm on the wrong track... I might just have jumped on my
> favourite hobby horse and gallopped off on my own... ;)
>
> Em x
>
> ps Here's a few tiny examples that I've been involved with or know about;
> there must be so many thousands if we all pooled what we know!
> http://hebdenbridgetransitiontown.org.uk/
> http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/
> http://www.lilac.coop/
> http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/
> http://www.weirdigans.co.uk
> http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, J L <hemipemi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Yes yes yes!
>>
>> VERY interested and willing to look into the exact details and
>> practicalities of this shift.
>>
>> I think a lot of it will come down to having a large enough network of
>> occupations and facilities around the country available to maintain this
>> off-system economy. Bike networks, resource management, (sourcing, sharing,
>> distribution), free accomodation through Occupation sites and buildings,
>> etc, and everything with a clear route towards becoming 100% off grid.
>>
>> Also jobs. If it's to work we need to completely reestablish what job
>> positions are needed in a functioning alternative society. A long term
>> gameplan could be necessary with the assumption that a lot of early jobs
>> would be related to the establishment and creation of the system rather
>> than it's continued operation and maintenance.
>>
>> We need to look very carefully at all the mistakes that have been made in
>> small scale attempts that have been made of this. Occupation sites and
>> public eco-villages (past and present) would all be a good point of
>> reference). I freudean typed that last line as "Occupation sites ARE public
>> eco-villages". That might be a good principle to employ ;)
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
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>> To: olsx.indymedia at gmail.com
>> From: elf at weirdigans.co.uk
>> CC: marknbarrett at googlemail.com;
>> LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com;
>> OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com; occupysheffield at email-lists.org
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>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:18:50 +0000
>>
>>
>> YES!!!
>>
>> I've been trying to encourage people to do this for years... ;)
>>
>> ... many people will be fearful. But if those of us with courage and/or
>> little to lose get on with it, perhaps we can create a nice big bouncy
>> castle of alternatives for the fearful to jump onto...?
>>
>> Em x
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM, OLSX Indymedia <
>> olsx.indymedia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> @George
>>
>> If you had a large-scale withdrawal of labour from the 1% means of
>> production, those alternatives become realities. I don't have time to go
>> into this in depth now, but the overriding point is that they are one and
>> the same, not two separate factors.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM, marknbarrett at googlemail.com <
>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> you raise an important point George!
>> Sent from phone
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * "George Por" <george at community-intelligence.com>
>> *Sender: * OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com
>> *Date: *Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:51:46 +0000
>> *To: *jamie kelsey-fry<lsxcamp at gmail.com>; <
>> LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com>
>> *ReplyTo: * george at community-intelligence.com
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>> *Subject: *Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>
>> Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the
>> alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?
>>
>> Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the
>> dominant system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more
>> than what is easy...
>>
>> george
>>
>>
>> Wow
>>
>> I am with that Mayday call out 100%.
>>
>> "a continuous strike, a permanent
>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>> support themselves and their families"
>>
>> To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs. Brilliant.
>>
>> Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as
>> it becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for Sheffield?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Mark Barrett <
>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com/>> wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>> It is obvious we are headed for disaster unless we change course
>> drastically, and we don't have a lot of time. A project is being
>> discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May
>> 2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent
>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>> support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible
>> this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.
>> Outrageous! Impossible! I agree with you. Nevertheless it has to
>> happen if we are serious about moving from this morally bankrupt and
>> physically damaging path we are on, to a sustainable system that puts
>> people before profit. Join us on Take the Squares Network
>> https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/ <
>> https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/> . and please pass
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