[OccupySheffield] [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

Sat Dec 31 15:49:19 GMT 2011

Count me in! x
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Subject: RE: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:42:29 +0000

Yes yes yes!

VERY interested and willing to look into the exact details and practicalities of this shift. 

I think a lot of it will come down to having a large enough network of occupations and facilities around the country available to maintain this off-system economy. Bike networks, resource management, (sourcing, sharing, distribution), free accomodation through Occupation sites and buildings, etc, and everything with a clear route towards becoming 100% off grid.

Also jobs. If it's to work we need to completely reestablish what job positions are needed in a functioning alternative society. A long term gameplan could be necessary with the assumption that a lot of early jobs would be related to the establishment and creation of the system rather than it's continued operation and maintenance.

We need to look very carefully at all the mistakes that have been made 
in small scale attempts that have been made of this. Occupation sites and public eco-villages (past and present) would all be a good point of 
reference). I freudean typed that last line as "Occupation sites ARE public eco-villages". That might be a good principle to employ ;)

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:18:50 +0000

YES!!!

I've been trying to encourage people to do this for years... ;)

... many people will be fearful. But if those of us with courage and/or little to lose get on with it, perhaps we can create a nice big bouncy castle of alternatives for the fearful to jump onto...?

Em x

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM, OLSX Indymedia <olsx.indymedia at gmail.com> wrote:

@George
If you had a large-scale withdrawal of labour from the 1% means of production, those alternatives become realities. I don't have time to go into this in depth now, but the overriding point is that they are one and the same, not two separate factors.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM, marknbarrett at googlemail.com <marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:

you raise an important point George! Sent from phoneFrom:  "George Por" <george at community-intelligence.com>
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Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?

Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the dominant system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more than what is easy...

george

Wow

I am with that Mayday call out 100%. 

"a continuous strike, a permanent

withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel

their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to

alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to

support themselves and their families"

To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs. Brilliant.

Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as it becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for Sheffield?

Best

Jamie  

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:

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MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

It is obvious we are headed for disaster unless we change course

drastically, and we don't have a lot of time. A project is being

discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May

2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent

withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel

their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to

alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to

support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible

this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.

Outrageous! Impossible! I agree with you. Nevertheless it has to

happen if we are serious about moving from this morally bankrupt and

physically damaging path we are on, to a sustainable system that puts

people before profit. Join us on Take the Squares Network

https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/ <https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/> . and please pass

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